Comments on: This is NOT Lean: Lean Staffing https://www.allaboutlean.com/lean-staffing/ Organize your Industry! Sun, 26 Mar 2023 14:55:41 +0000 hourly 1 By: Peter Lynn https://www.allaboutlean.com/lean-staffing/#comment-125999 Wed, 08 Mar 2023 11:11:31 +0000 https://www.allaboutlean.com/?p=28363#comment-125999 Lean production was based on the Toyota Production System, but Toyota do not treat their staff like this. In fact Toyota see staff as their most valuable asset because only people can solve problems. Lean companies often get confused and see staff as an expensive barrier to wealth so they aim to offset this by getting as much out of them as possible as cheaply as possible.

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By: Jason Klemm https://www.allaboutlean.com/lean-staffing/#comment-91287 Wed, 28 Sep 2022 20:38:27 +0000 https://www.allaboutlean.com/?p=28363#comment-91287 Hello Christoph, I enjoyed reading your post. I agree that lean staffing is not beneficial long term at all. Trying to save money and resources is a good thing, but not at the expense of their workers. Deliberately understaffing is not the right way to attempt to pull a higher level of productivity from your employees. Your mention of Jack Welch, the CEO of General Electronics, and his “fire the bottom 10% performing employees each year” idea shows that these thought processes are not uncommon here in the US. Even though employment in the US can be much more volatile than in other places, I think it is important to recognize that sometimes it is in the best interests of the company to be able to let go of some workers fairly easily. Sometimes workers just are not the right fit for the job (whether it is because of qualifications, motivations, company culture, etc.), and not being locked into long term employment can help the company find someone who is a better fit.

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By: Helena Melchiori https://www.allaboutlean.com/lean-staffing/#comment-91235 Wed, 28 Sep 2022 14:35:32 +0000 https://www.allaboutlean.com/?p=28363#comment-91235 This was a great read. This truly is a problem within the US. Companies are trying to claim understaffing as lean thinking when it is abusive to employees. In the end, companies cutting costs by hiring fewer workers hurt their business more because they tend to have a high turnover rate of employees and do not have staff loyal to their company. How do companies that have been running like this for years change their thinking that fewer employees are not helping them cut costs? I enjoyed the comparison to European businesses, seems as though they have the right idea of how having the right number of employees is beneficial for them.

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By: Christoph Roser https://www.allaboutlean.com/lean-staffing/#comment-91188 Wed, 28 Sep 2022 05:18:44 +0000 https://www.allaboutlean.com/?p=28363#comment-91188 Many thanks to all for the comments. I definitely hit a spot there for most of you. Just to clarify, there are also good employers in the US, and you can find decent jobs there, too. And also sometimes you have to let go of people if you have truly too much. But overall it just feels like there is much more exploitation going on than in Europe.

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By: Franco Guastaferro https://www.allaboutlean.com/lean-staffing/#comment-90773 Sun, 25 Sep 2022 15:19:00 +0000 https://www.allaboutlean.com/?p=28363#comment-90773 Prof. Roser, I wonder why you didn’t write about the Japan working culture in this post, particularly in Toyota, the source of Lean and a place where you have been several times.
Thanks.

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By: Nichole DeAngelo https://www.allaboutlean.com/lean-staffing/#comment-89985 Tue, 20 Sep 2022 16:36:12 +0000 https://www.allaboutlean.com/?p=28363#comment-89985 This was a great post to shed light on the abuse that many employees face day to day in their line of work. From the start of your blog post I related to it. Lean staffing is a huge problem in the US that needs to be talked about more. I have had part time jobs that I left because it was a negative workplace. The workers were great people, but no one actually liked the company they worked for so they would talk badly or complain about the company all day long. I recently read something about the workplace laws in Europe and I agree that we need some of those here in the US to help decrease poverty. Thank you for teaching me more about the terrible affects of lean staffing!

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By: Andrey A https://www.allaboutlean.com/lean-staffing/#comment-89700 Mon, 19 Sep 2022 03:23:24 +0000 https://www.allaboutlean.com/?p=28363#comment-89700 This post is definitely hitting a nerve for me.

“In the USA, a hire-and-fire approach is common, and employees are often seen more as biological machines… and treated as such.”

As an American, I think the analogy where an employee is a round in a machinegun belt is more accurate. A machinegun is valuable machine anytime, but it’s useless without a steady supply of ammunition. But while ammo is valuable, individual rounds are more or less expendable if your ammo supply comes in cases of thousands of rounds each.

I work at a store that’s part of a nationwide auto parts store chain. And I’m seeing all of the negative effects every single day. Understaffing has gone to the level where it takes a roster of people with motivation and years of experience just to keep things afloat. One person finally quits or goes on a vacation, and everything goes straight to hell. I went on a two week vacation about a month ago. A few days later, the store manager “ghost quit” – he just stopped showing up without any sort of communication. A bit later, another person got sent in to take over. A couple years prior, he had to step down from an SM role due to a heart attack on the job. He’s back at it now and already putting well over 55 hours a week due to ongoing cheap labor shortages and not yet having his permissions upgraded to start hiring. We’ll see how it goes.

When it comes to new hires these days, we’re lucky to get people who can grasp which way a nut threads onto a bolt and not consistently show up to work drunk or stoned. Quite a few stores have drivers who routinely come to work still drunk from the night before and the management get no real options besides looking the other way and lots of prayers.

One of the most ugly changes to happen in the recent decade or so is the number of companies that did make the disposable, expendable workforce model actually work. Look no further than Amazon. But in their case, every single process has been engineered from the ground up so that 99% of the ground level workers can be easily replaced within minutes of breaking down. Ditto the same for gig work companies such as Uber whose main “innovations” were figuring out how to hire people while offloading all of the risks and expenses onto the workers. And yet they still have yet to turn any real profit after a full decade when their vision for self-driving and self-flying cars didn’t produce much even after burning through billions of dollars.

Here in California, the law is pretty strict when it comes to injuries caused by work. The likes of Tesla and Amazon made it an art form to fight these claims and to hire private health providers whose job is to care for the company more than it is to care for the patient. Others aren’t so lucky. At my previous job, the company was all to happy to screw people over when the wear and tear from years of physical labor started adding up. A production lead with nearly ten years on the job nearly got canned when his knee problems reared up. On the upside, quite a few workers managed to get “hurt” on the job and were out for months with BS injuries while still getting paid. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander, I say!

P.S. Have you heard of the Randonda Vaught case? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RaDonda_Vaught_homicide_case

The chickens are definitely coming home to roost for the healthcare industry here in USA.

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By: Dr Dave https://www.allaboutlean.com/lean-staffing/#comment-89195 Thu, 15 Sep 2022 10:22:04 +0000 https://www.allaboutlean.com/?p=28363#comment-89195 Whoa, this post is way over the top and quite prejudicial. The US has labor laws too, and not everyone who is trying to staff in a more lean way is a money grubbing egomaniac.

Yes there are examples where bad bosses cut headcount with the wrong motivations and that’s a problem but railing against this with minimal facts and high levels of prejudice is terrible.

Having worked and hired in both the US and in Europe I can tell you that the labor flexibility in the US is definitely a plus. Its easy to loose your job in the US but as a result its also easy to get hired. In Europe making a bad hire is such a liability because its so difficult to get rid of employees that you tend avoid hiring unless absolutely necessary and this is not good for employees.

As to lean staffing in the service sector – I knew one consultant who all he did was benchmark the staffing levels a similar restaurants. He often found 3X disparities on a normalized basis! I personally had to sort out business that were 6X over-staffed and were about to go bankrupt as a result. Overstaffing leads to skills loss, quality defects a reduction in pressure for improvement and a whole host of pernicious effects and is usually much more of an issue than under-staffing which becomes apparent really quickly.

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